Good Morning, Charlie: A Charlie's Angels Rewatch Podcast

Episode Fourteen: The Big Tap Out

Chris Berryman & Colby Smith

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Chris bets against the odds as he rounds the corner and takes the lead in this week's breakdown, S1E14: "The Big Tap Out."

He guides us through high stakes gambling, undercover stings, and secret clubs, as Colby points out fascinating behind-the-scenes tidbits along the way, working in lots of detail surrounding DragonCon and Wonder Woman?

Bosley is a bookie.

Sabrina has a gambling problem.

Jill is a hit-and-run victim.

And Kelly...well...her clever disguise this week is to put on glasses and rear end someone with her car. I mean...you do what you can.

Is a Super Secret Gambling Club right for you?
Ask your doctor, and listen to S1E14: "The Big Tap Out."

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Heads up, Angels. While our podcast is suitable for all ages, keep in mind these episodes were produced in a different era and may include scenes of danger, crime, or themes some listeners may find sensitive or outdated. When doing our rewatch, we do our very best to discuss everything with care, context, and compassion, and always with a love for the show and respect for our listeners.

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Last time on Good Morning Charlie, Conehead. And coming up, we get flowers at night. Come to our secret gambling room. Don't tell anybody.

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Hello, Colby. What is new with you?

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Um It's a long story. It's a long story. It's a long story.

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Actually, it's a long story.

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Brand new with me is I just lugged an inversion table into my house.

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Uh so is that the thing where you buckle your ankles in and spin. Well, frankly, you're probably used to that sort of thing.

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Just like Tammy Brown, I'm getting spun round and round. I'm Tammy Brown, and I'm gonna spin your head round and round.

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The difference in this accoutrement is Blue Cross Blue Shield helped out.

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No, I did buy this second hand. But because of my uh back problems, I um I need to, you know, try whatever I can try. So uh I will be hopefully feeling um much better here in the very near future.

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For those of you joining us for the first time, Colby has ongoing back, hip, knee, ankle issues.

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We just tick right off.

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Are you being advised to do this, or did you just have a big idea?

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Yeah, so I um, you know, recently told you um about the physical therapy I was doing. And of course, I also talked to the doctor about the inversion table because of my herniated disc, which he agreed uh may help. Releasing, you know, tension from your back is great, especially because it really helps uh fluid and blood flow through the discs in your spinal cord, and that um that ability to do that will help heal your um discs.

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I would pay good money. I would stand in the line behind ropes and stanchions.

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Please stand clear of the doors. For favor, manténganse alejado de las puertas.

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To see you suddenly twirl yourself upside down would be the best thing. Now, how do you get back up?

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Now, like when you're a beginner, you don't go 90 degrees immediately. Uh so you start very slow, you go to like 15, 20 degrees, and only for like maybe a minute. Uh you don't hang upside down for five minutes. That would be really bad for you.

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I think you meant 180. You don't go from standing all the way to upside down 180 degrees. You do not.

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Yeah, right, right. I mean, even 90 degrees, you don't.

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You do a little bit at a time. But how do you get back up?

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Um, so the inversion table is uh based on uh your distribution of weight. So if you like swing your arms back down towards your legs, the table will kind of like write itself. Uh and there's also handles so that you can um pull yourself towards um you know, home base.

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Upright.

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Yes, upright.

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Is there a guidebook you're going by? Did a physical therapist give you instructions?

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I um have been listening to physical therapists.

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I want everyone listening to know I am riveted and I will make it my goal as Cher hears my words. May she never tour again if I'm lying. I'm gonna take a video of Colby performing his Cirque de Soleil and post it everywhere. He's gonna be spinning around like a little Mary Lurettin. Alright, shall we get started? Today's assignment is the big tab out, an episode brave enough to ask, what if we Charlie's angeled it? But added racehorses in blackjack, fresh from the production dossier. Here is your case briefing. A chronic gambler supports his expensive habit by robbing area businesses left, right, and sideways. The police, one frustrated investigator in particular, can never catch him at the right place and the right time. This LAPD investigator, whose name is Ben McMasters, calls in a favor from his old pal Charlie, and he enlists the Angels to set a trap. Can the Angels set just the right trap to catch a compulsive gambler and criminal named Roy David once and for all?

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Here is the super secret intel from behind the scenes. This episode originally aired on January 12th, 1977.

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You don't have to be a star, baby, to be in my show.

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And it is just under 50 minutes. It is directed by George Stanford Brown, a director and actor. He is known best for his role on Roots in 1977, his marriage to Tyne Daly, Cagnan Lacey, from 1966 to 1990, his starring role in The Rookies with Kate Jackson, and he directed several episodes of Dynasty, Hill Street Blues Miami Vice, Magnum P.I. eight episodes of Charlie's Angels, and many other pod faves.

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Hey, Colby.

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Yes.

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Do you know who Tyne Daly's brother is?

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Carson Daly?

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You know, good guess. Tim Tim Daly from that uh what?

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Yeah, he voices Superman on Justice League.

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Is that new?

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That and Justice League Unlimited and several DC animated movies. He's been voicing Superman for quite a while.

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He is so handsome. Did you watch Wings when it was on? It was on NBC.

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Oh, because it's got Who's His Brother in that?

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Stephen Weber.

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He did the TV version of The Shining. The writer of this episode is Brian McKay and Edward Lasco. Brian McKay wrote three episodes of Charlie's Angels and was a story consultant for 22 episodes of Wonder Woman. This episode is also written by Edward Lasco. He wrote 51 episodes of Charlie's Angels and tons of other podfaves. We get to see Jacqueline Smith's real-life king poodle Albert for a second time. We see him in Consenting Adults, and he makes an appearance in this episode when Kelly and Sabrina are in a bar. Guest Star Alert, police investigator Ben McMasters, is an old friend of Charlie's. He is played by John Fox. Fox was a character actor and had minor guest star roles throughout the 60s and 70s. I believe he might have also been in a Disney show.

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Yep. Which is Well, the 1971 Theatrical release of The Million Dollar Duck. And he was in three episodes of Bewitched in three different roles, so take that.

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Another guest star alert, Roy David, the compulsive gambler and main antagonist of this week's episode is Richard Romanus, one of those hey, I know him faces of the 70s, 80s, and 90s. He was in just about every hour-long cop drama you can think of. And if I do not point it out, Chris will be upset. He is also in an episode of Rhoda.

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I decided to move out of the house when I was 24. My mother still refers to this as a time I ran away from home. Eventually I ran to Minneapolis where it's cold, and I figured I'd keep better.

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God, I love Rhoda. Also, in doing some research, Roy David's one of his earliest appearances was in a movie named The Ghastly Ones, which is a great name, and how you could also categorize everyone I've dated seriously.

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Do you know what this movie's about?

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The people I've dated. Okay, great.

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So it's a documentary.

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Yeah, I'm in a real dry spell at the moment. They don't talk about that because it hadn't happened yet, but I am wandering in the desert of dating.

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I'll have a little drinking and it'll all be okay.

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I'm just gonna have a little sippy while you wrap this up.

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We have a location alert. The big tap out was filmed in and around LA. The racetrack they utilize is no longer there, but at the time was about 40 miles north of LA.

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Before we begin the rundown of today's assignment, here are the classified details. The name of this episode is The Big Tap Out. Tapping out is a term used in gambling when a player quits because they've either lost all their money or they've hit their personal spending limit. For example, the first time I went to Las Vegas, I tapped out after 20 bucks. I put a $20 bill in a slot machine in the lobby of the Luxor where I was staying with an ex and thought it was gonna give me change. And it sucked up that $20 bill. I hit yeah, done. I couldn't do it either. I followed my ex around from whatever he was doing to whatever he was doing until finally he gave me $50 and said, go away.

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Please leave.

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And because we're gonna go see Celine Dion.

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That's how the documentary ends with somebody just saying, please leave.

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But who won? Because I was on the third row of Celine Dion. Anyway, I did win $250 in a Wheel of Fortune slot machine, but I didn't gamble any of it after that. It is also a boxing term and a metaphor for when someone is forced to give up. A name of a bar in this episode that's a key uh setting. The paddock. The paddock is where Bosley pretends to be a bookie and Sabrina pretends to be a gambler. A paddock is the name for an enclosure or a field where horses are kept or exercised. Sure enough, the place, the sleazy bar of the paddock, is decorated in wall-to-wall horse stuff, much like my father and stepmother's house. So we can predict the gambling to which Ben McMasters alluded is most likely horse racing. And sure enough, it is. Well, you must go to terrible places.

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We are gonna take a quick break and we will be right back.

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And then we'll get rehabilitation.

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The angels take a vacation. That's not all fun and games. Right after Donia Marie and Beretta.

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What episode is that coming? Welcome back, and let's move into the debrief of today's assignment, the Big Tap Out. LA investigator Ben McMasters has had enough. He's been tracking this guy, Roy David, for a while, knows he's robbing places to finance his high stake gambling habit, but can never get any charges to stick. Roy David steals big so he can play big. The plan comes together quickly, and sure Roy David loses his latest stash of stolen funds, so he'll be forced to steal again. This time, the Angels will be watching. Here is their plan. Bosley will assume the role of a fairly new bookie in town. Sabrina will pretend to be the joint owner of a computer company and someone with a gambling habit. Knowing Roy David hangs out at a local bar named The Paddock, which we've discussed, they'll set him up to believe Sabrina utilizes computer data from her computer company to place her bets and win big. At the paddock, we have several scenes where Sabrina and Boz are staging big time payouts.

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Hello, I like money.

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Angled just right and just close enough to grab the attention of Roy David, who's nearby, he finally approaches Sabrina. Having confirmed her place of business, the computer company, he falls right into their trap by accusing her of utilizing her company to give her an advantage, and he threatens to expose her if she doesn't show him how to do it.

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And offhand, I'd say she'd be very unhappy if someone were to tell CompuTrex that you and Kelly were using a computer to play the ponies.

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Colby, did you notice anything about David Doyle in this episode?

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Um, no, I really didn't notice anything out of the ordinary.

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I think he has pink eye in his right eye.

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And Scott Beau gave me pink eye.

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Before we get to this next scene, we have another guest star alert. The gambler who comes to the aid of the angels is named Pinky Tibbs. This actor is Bert Remsen, who is yet another face you know you know. He had guest star roles in just about everything, including eight roles in 1999, the year he passed away.

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Had nine roles and then died. The year he passed. That is hustling. That man hustled.

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You've seen him all over the place. Chris wants to point out he is in two episodes of Wonder Woman.

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God, yes.

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Do you know which episodes they are?

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I do not.

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Great. He is in ten episodes of Dallas. I'm assuming you know who he is in Dallas.

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I do know who he is in Dallas. He got on Cliff Barnes' good side because he reminded Cliff Barnes of his father, Digger Barnes, who had an alcohol and a gambling problem. Ooh, gambling connection. Cliff Barnes was Pam Ewing's brother. Pam Ewing played by Victoria Principal, and he was a whole plot point.

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He is also in 11 episodes of It's a Living. Playing the restaurant's head chef, Mario. He is also in one episode of Alfred Hitchcock Presents in 1961.

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Does that make you happy? It does. He plays an experienced betting veteran, and they get some advice from him as to the two horses expected to win the next big race. Next, through a series of entertaining undercover activities with the Angels and Bosley, they place false info around betting bars and at the field to get the top two contenders to withdraw. And it's in one of these capers where Jacqueline Smith has her big ass poodle. Colby mentioned, I I didn't know King Poodle was a type of poodle. I have no idea of a poodle size, how a pig do, or how a child do. How do a poodle do?

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Uh so I'm not sure. Colby do for these two scenes. Uh Jill dressed like a little westerner and her accent when she sees the horse.

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Honey, look! We've only just now had it and already she's smitten with me.

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I think it's a very cute scene. And I do not like the scene in the bar with uh Kelly and Sabrina. It always bugs me because it looks like it is the second or third take of this scene. Because after they've convinced the man to withdraw his horse from the race, Kelly is staring daggers at Sabrina, just waiting to clink her glass in celebration. It drives me nuts. Now, the man on the phone, when he, you know, calls whoever he calls to withdraw his horse, he says his name is Bill Fawcett. Uh, it it just stood out to me uh because of how long I've been volunteering with Dragon Con. And um one of the, what would you call them, um one of the senior directors at DragonCon, his name is Bill Fawcett, uh spelled exactly the same way. And I just thought it was funny.

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I'm just saying, seeing that giant poodle wedged in the side of the booth between Kelly and Sabrina, because for those of you listening, they were seated on the same side of the booth for the proper camera angle. And so, in theory, their voice could carry forward over the other side of the booth to where Bill Fawcett was seated. But that just to have that dog and have all that dog hair everywhere while I'm trying to do my scene. Also, don't you hate it when you're in a restaurant and you see a dog in a restaurant because I'm I'm allergic. I'm allergic. I love dogs.

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In the same side of the booth as me.

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No, no, I don't care if it's date 10 or you've been married for five years. You do not need to be seated on the same side.

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I want to look at you while I'm having the conversation.

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I want to look at you because you're both staring ahead, eating your macaroni and cheese or breadsticks from Olive Garden. Bottom line, as I give myself an epipense shot because of that poodle, the Angels eliminate and maneuver the horses in the race to have an impact on the odds. So a long shot suddenly has better odds, and Sabrina and Roy David together place their bets. This results in a big payoff for Roy David and Sabrina, and Bosley, undercover as a bookie, hands out big money at the paddock.

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I like money.

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They did this because they wanted Roy David to have tons and tons of false confidence. So he awaits Sabrina's next recommendation. And this time he bets a bunch, just a huge amount of money.

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Money!

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Because they've set him up to lose, so he'll steal again. He indeed loses, and lose is big. Now, Roy, in a rage, has to figure out what to do next. The answer? A secret members only gambling club.

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That's the best idea ever!

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Feeling tired and sluggish? A secret members only gambling club.

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That's the best idea ever!

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Feeling like life has let you down. A secret members only gambling club. That's the best idea ever! Cody, you know what you could do after you get on your inversion thing? You could go to a super members-only gambling club and feel so statuesque because you stretched out your herniated discatoriums.

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Another fun fact in this scene, Bosley places a call to a mobile phone the way you would have had to really do it in the late 70s. The phones in cars, when they existed, were far from mobile. They were permanently installed and had transmitters in the trunk and involved the use of more than one telephone operator. He calls Jill in her car, uh, but Farah Fawcett is holding a home phone with the sort of like typical core that you would see.

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That boinky boinky cord. But that's the first time in Charlie's Angels we've seen someone place a call like you would have done properly, and it took forever, and it usually didn't work. And that is how a mobile phone does.

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And immediately we were like, she is so brave and beautiful.

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Well, we're gonna take a quick break, and when we return, we'll find out how the team brings down Roy David once and for all by causing him to lose the rest of his money and take a big risk.

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Welcome back and welcome to a beautifully dressed chill as she makes her way through a back hall located in a movie theater to a secret back area with a password and controlled entrance and all, into one of those after hours clubs they were called, or a private gaming club. California did not have legal casinos in 1977 or 76 when this was filmed. These secret gambling rooms. were members only exclusive and they vetted their applicants and it was all very, very hush-hush because they wanted to make sure no one was involved in the legal system or law enforcement.

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There is a Wonder Woman episode about this where so um she's in California and this girl is um like really good on her skateboard and I believe that she's like a savant in math and this dude uses her to get into this like little private gaming club that is housed in an arcade and the way that they get into the gaming area or I mean like the the gambling area I just thought was so cool. But it's essentially very much like this episode.

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Well did they have to spin and turn into someone who's holding a key? How did they do it?

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No, they went in through um a photo booth like that you would have put money in and sat down on the bench and had your pictures taken with somebody uh I think it had like a false back or whatever and then you went into the the uh private gambling club.

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Back to this members only gambling club they've learned Rory David is a frequent guest and as Jill enters the main gambling area she finds a spot right next to him. The team in advance has a plant both behind the table, the blackjack dealer and in front of the table our betting expert Pinky Tibbs they've set up the situation where he will win and strip away what little money Roy David has left thereby forcing him to rob a place and they're gonna be following him I have another little guest star alert the planted dealer that the Townsend agency has hired in real life his name is Tony Giorgio he is in another episode of Charlie's Angels beside this one.

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He is in season two episode 16 Diamond in the rough he is known for being in The Godfather as Bruno Titaglia and being in Foxy Brown as Eddie. He was a staple in television shows as well and appeared in many shows like Heart to Heart, Fantasy Island, Columbo, Bionic Woman, Six Million Dollar Man, I Dream of Jeannie, and just countless others.

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The dealer sees to it everyone at the table does well, giving Roy false confidence. Jill befriends Roy and eggs him on. It's a new round at the blackjack table Roy and the planted winner that big as hoped and planned by the Angels and Bosley Roy loses everything and Pinky Tibbs wins it all thanks to the dealer on the Angels side. Yeah how about a $22,000 martini as this scene wraps up in the gambling club Jill leaves and Roy follows and he notes a mysterious tube she's carrying the angels have staged a hit and run. Jill attempts to cross the street is hit flips through the air onto the car and purposefully tosses the tube onto the sidewalk, practically at Roy's feet. As onlookers rush to help Jill, who's busy faking entry and unconsciousness, which I frequently do to get out of work to get out of work? Mm-hmm. And this podcast they call an ambulance while they're doing all of that Roy slides in and grabs the tube and discovers it contains blueprints to the gambling club highlighting the safe. Now we get it. Finally light bulbs are popping on over our heads the plan was to make Roy lose a lot of his money at the track so then he turns to the after hours club then make him lose the rest of his money there and plant fake plans where he can get them so he can attempt what to him seems like an easy breezy robbery of this after hours gambling club. But this is all a setup he does rob the gambling club he tosses bags of money bags and bags and bags into the trunk of his car peels rubber only to be conveniently rear-ended by a one Miss Kelly Garrett who was in her car and waiting. So this fender bender because she rams right into his trunk so the trunk well the back Yeah.

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I love it because she has her No one is following him he's at a stop sign and then she rear-ends him how he couldn't have like my immediate reaction would have been like it looked like you just waited to rear-end me. My favorite part though is when he's getting really frustrated and um he notices like the flat in his tire and he's about to like blow a fuse and Kelly's like um tempered temper we're all just trying to help you.

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Let me drive it to a gas station how's that temper look we're only trying to help you.

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I want you help this could have been a sitcom because he would get a sentence out and his trunk would fly up and he'd push it down. Kelly would get a sentence out the trunk would fly up and he'd push it down. He was so good I just want I could watch it over and over they had the LAPD planted so when the fender bender happens the police roll right up because no one can see her cut his tire open. She somersaults like Nadia Kamanich out of some shrubbery knifes his tire so he can't drive off. Anyway the lid finally pops up once and for all we see all the stolen money and Roy is being dragged off while screaming about being set up. The bane of LAPD investigator Ben McMaster's professional life has been caught and it's another job well done for the Angels and Boz. Before we end today's time together I want to point out a few plot holes I picked up on and Colby I know you've got some things along the same line. Roy David was clearly set up all the way so how can this hold up in court? And they left blueprints for him to find with keys to everything taped to the blueprints the whole second half of the episode surrounded an illegal gambling club. How could the team utilize this venue set up Roy David and get a conviction without exposing this illegal gambling club and having all of those who run it tossed into jail.

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Well okay so the big thing that I'm going or that I want to discuss is entrapment so in my opinion I don't think it could hold up in court however um he would it would be up to him to prove that he was set up um so like let's say hypothetically he talks about this gambling club they could go to the gambling club and it could be broken down and nothing could be there. So it would be difficult for him to prove that it did exist. At the beginning of the episode when Sabrina is getting money from Bookie Bosley that really isn't enough of a setup. And um and made a bet. I don't necessarily see that as entrapment but when the blueprints come into play to me that is undue persuasion to get Roy to commit this crime and the reason that I think that it is entrapment is because um this McMasters went to the Townsend agency asked for help they had a discussion about what they were gonna do and McMasters agreed to it so to me that is a government agent participating in the idea of setting up undue persuasion to get Roy to commit this crime Roy would have to prove that and I don't know you know necessarily how he would do it but yeah it feels like they're all breaking the law.

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Oh I read the Wikipedia summary here's all I know here's all I know Colby I'm just a simple man. I'm not even a country lawyer but I have seen every episode of Allie McBeal twice.

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It seems shady um I do like there's another episode like this um I believe in season four uh that I think is really very enjoyable all right now here's my question for you being of a certain age of a different generation did you know what a bookie was when you were watching it. Oh yeah I know what a bookie is yeah okay I wondered about that but I mean like because of I guess like the era or whatever it would have been more like basketball games or what else um it's hard to say but yeah I mean like you kind of learn what a bookie is through watching you know just TV shows. Like older TV. I've never like in my life have never placed an actual bet on any kind of sporting game. Uh so I don't even think I've been to a place where you like approach a counter to place a bet.

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I have when I was in college and it was legal we went to a horse track with my friend's father and he gave us we were grown ass adults we were like 19 years old and he gave us each a dollar and said go place a dollar on a horse so we went to place a bet at the little window we were both nervous wrecks and we each bet a dollar on the same horse and that horse didn't win but placed was in the top three. I don't know how they do. Anyway Christian and I each won four dollars and we hugged and screamed and screamed and hugged that's the only time I bet other than let Las Vegas fiasco.

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Colby take us out we really appreciate you joining us for another episode and please join us again next week when we talk about angels on a string be sure to follow us on Facebook and Instagram and on Patreon where we have additional little bits and things and gorgeous things.

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We do follow us on Patreon it's free to join we post a lot of pics of what we talk about each week on our Patreon. On behalf of Colby Smith I'm Pinky Tibbs and thank you for joining us this week for Good Morning Charlie a Charlie's Angels Rewatch podcast.

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All you have to do is even mention opening up a secret gambling joint and the cops crack down.

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I have this crazy nightmare nightmare what about standing out of fear I have this fear of stuff like this taking out my back of the fear